Lifts-Her-Tail
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OMG! I just noticed something ! Nordic Vampire Lord has the most negative ratings than any one else on the forums! even more than Jersey Dagmar! Holy s***!
I wasn't comparing Obama to anyone, I was comparing fallacies. You're right, actions do speak louder than words, you dismiss him as racist for what he hasn't done instead of what he has.
None of the Holds in Skyrim allow the Kajiit inside their walls, so does that make Elisif a racist? Balgruuf the Greater
The Thamor are practicing Eugenics, and yet somehow, they're not considered as racist, despite their stated goals to wipe out all of the Human Races, ruling over the lesser Elves, and enslaving the beast races.
The Dunmer, the "victims" in this case enslaved the Argonians for centuries,
and their ancestors were at least complicit in the Genocide of the Dwemer (Ok, reports are fuzzy one what happened there) and yet the one man that is singled out as the Racist of Skyrim is also the one man who took in the Dunmer, because of their sub-standard living conditions
stayed out of this debate for a while, knowing what a kneejerk irrational blame game it would be.
Look at the rest of Windhelm, not just the Grey Quarter. This used to be the capitol of all of skyrim, the palace of the Kings was the official seat of all of the High kings. Now, it's just this side of Ruin. He's neglected his entire hold in his bid for the Jagged crown, all of his people are suffering, even the Nords. There's a serial killer snatching up young women, and leaving their bodies out in plain view. This is not Racism, it's neglect, otherwise the Dunmer would be singled out. And they are, by his men. He gave no such order. So again, what has he Done that is racist? All's I've seen him do actively concerning the Dunmer is let them in.
Now, I've said my peace, and I wash my hands of it. If apathy because "None of their problems affect the Nords" is considered high racism in a world of genocidal elves, and dragons enslaving all mortals for thousands of years, no amount of reason will convince you otherwise. Good day.
Yes, because every single Dark elf in windhelm is racist. One dunmer talks for all of them. Now you're blatantly assuming the worst in characters with no real backing on situations that don't happen. You're being ignorant if you think "Oh it's the dark elves fault everyone treats them like crap." That's like me saying all Nords deserve to be enslaved because galmar's brother represents them all and he'd not care if Ulfric died. The dark elves show support and respect to free winter, especially after the imperials take control and are overjoyed that things are now slowly improving.
Ulfric's neglect of the Dunmer and Argonians are no worse than the Empire's neglect of the deaths of those who openly worship Talos due to the Thalmor's gestapo-like actions. My bad though, Ulfric's a no-good-dirty-racist though right who only cares for himself and is why he's risking himself, his Hold and his people for their freedom and to bring Skyrim to what it once was. I hear yaSaying he isn't a racist just because he acts like one. Racism isn't all KKK and ranting hatred. If you could easily change the law to be more racially equal, but don't, it's racist. If you send guards to help your own people, but don't, it's racist. You acknowledge that Ulfric functions like this, yet it somehow it isn't racism to you.
Those first two sentences are what most against the Stormcloaks say in regards to Ulfric and his men. So can that stop being used as a debate point now???Yes, because every single Dark elf in windhelm is racist. One dunmer talks for all of them. Now you're blatantly assuming the worst in characters with no real backing on situations that don't happen. You're being ignorant if you think "Oh it's the dark elves fault everyone treats them like crap." That's like me saying all Nords deserve to be enslaved because galmar's brother represents them all and he'd not care if Ulfric died. The dark elves show support and respect to free winter, especially after the imperials take control and are overjoyed that things are now slowly improving.
Ulfric's neglect of the Dunmer and Argonians are no worse than the Empire's neglect of the deaths of those who openly worship Talos due to the Thalmor's gestapo-like actions. My bad though, Ulfric's a no-good-dirty-racist though right who only cares for himself and is why he's risking himself, his Hold and his people for their freedom and to bring Skyrim to what it once was. I hear ya
What!? The deaths of people who pray to Talos worse than Ulfric's 'racist fueled' neglect of the Dunmer and Argonians!?!? Two races (dunmer argonians) who have a nasty past relationship (slavery? racism) kept away from eachother (greyquarter, the docks) and not being treated 'nicely' worse than the deaths of those praying in the name of Talos!?!? PREPOSTEROUS!!! "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!" RidiculousActually what the Mede II Empire did when they signed the treaty was far worst then what Ulfric is doing to the Dunmer and Argonians. At least the Dunmers and the Argonians aren't getting snatched up from their homes, and then taken to prisons over their religious beliefs. Their not getting murdered either. You would think that they would help out in the war, but no.
The dunmers and the Argonians all have work, and have shelters with beds to go to at night... What in the oblivion are they complaining about? How come nobody is making a big deal over the mistreatment of war veterans like Angrenor Once-Honored of windhelm, a former member of the Stormcloaks and Noster Eagle-Eye of Solitude, who was once a scout who fought in the great war , who both are now beggars and living in filth.
Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
What!? The deaths of people who pray to Talos worse than Ulfric's 'racist fueled' neglect of the Dunmer and Argonians!?!? Two races (dunmer argonians) who have a nasty past relationship (slavery? racism) kept away from eachother (greyquarter, the docks) and not being treated 'nicely' worse than the deaths of those praying in the name of Talos!?!? PREPOSTEROUS!!! "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!" Ridiculous
The reason why the Empire signed the treaty is because they were hurt they needed time to regroup and get more recources so they can defeat the Dominion.Hes the best guy with the best personality in the Game. His Bodyguard Galmar might be but Ulfric is not. Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.
The Dunmers (Except for the one that owns the farm) and the Argonians of Windhelm are nothing more than MOOOOOOOOOCHERS!
While Ulfric is trying to save his people from the thalmor their more concern about their living conditions.
I say Ulfric should evict everyone from their homes and give it to the Dunmers and the Argonian. That's the right thing to do.
I did not say that every single Dunmers of Windhelm are racist. Either you're intentionally putting words in my post or you simply misread what I wrote. I said "If you wanna see true racism in Windhelm go look at Ambarys Rendar." No I'm not ignorant. Rolff Stone-Fist asked the woman Dunmer why shes does not help the Stormcloaks and she response with "But we haven't taken a side because it's not our fight." to me that tells me that they're only concern is their own kind. Do you seriously think they give two plopss what the Thalmor are doing to the Nords? As long as they don't target the Dunmers they can rot for all they care.
Even if the Dunmer joined the civil war, who's side do you think they will be on? In the US's own civil war, who's side did the African's take? If anything be greatful the dunmer haven't joined any side at all, that would mean more men for the empire.
Actually what the Mede II Empire did when they signed the treaty was far worst then what Ulfric is doing to the Dunmer and Argonians. At least the Dunmers and the Argonians aren't getting snatched up from their homes, and then taken to prisons over their religious beliefs. Their not getting murdered either. You would think that they would help out in the war, but no.
The dunmers and the Argonians all have work, and have shelters with beds to go to at night... What in the oblivion are they complaining about? How come nobody is making a big deal over the mistreatment of war veterans like Angrenor Once-Honored of windhelm, a former member of the Stormcloaks and Noster Eagle-Eye of Solitude, who was once a scout who fought in the great war , who both are now beggars and living in filth.
Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
Nords are the superior race...it's not as cogent or eloquent an argument as many have ventured thus far, but it is my opinion.
Being a Nord and all...
Not a winner. How are dunmer refugee's any different from RL immigrants who come to the US??? Do they just waltz over here, get treated as 'equals', live in nice fancy houses and have jobs that require little to no work and have great pay??? NO. Not at all. They struggle to get by, get treated like plops just from what stereotypes make them out to be and work hard manual labor jobs and get paid dirt while the higher ups bark orders and get to eat lobster for dinner. Thats just the way things are, terrible but true. On the flip side the truth is why should Ulfric care for the dunmer when they refuse to help the cause and secretly side with the Empire? Two sides to the coin, the dunmer and imperials aint saints, as most would like to believe. In regards to past standing policies against 'non-nords' in Windhelm, take those RL parralells as you will, see what you come up with. Terrible as it may be, it is justified (sorta). How bout the Khajiit??? NO ONE lets them in Holds. Why??? Their 'reputation' of being thieves and drug trafficers, being stereotyped basically. By EVERYONE not a Khajiit. Not just Ulfric. Again take the RL paralells with that and keep spouting that Ulfric is the only 'bad meanie racist' gunk. I agree with the Balgruuf part though, take out the neglect of the dunmer and argonians well-being and Ulfric is as close to Balgruuf than anyone in the empire could ever Hope to be. A F'in boss who has no allegience other than to his people. The Empire? "Awaiting your command sir." -No thanksMust I really go back to my point with WWII? It's been stated by Malborn who you can find in windhelm after his quest that he plans to go to morrowind where he's safer from the Thalmor because they don't take kindly to the Thalmor. And spoiler here for the new DLCThe truth is who cares if the Dark elves don't support or don't care about the war? It really isn't their fight. Against the Thalmor and a civil war between humans are two totally different wars. The dark elves are living their lives after the annihilation of their home by natural causes and argonian invasion. You really think dunmer who fled want to die for a Nordic war where the Jarl and leader of the rebellion neglects them? I'm sorry but that's not the way to win troops to your side. They are neither for nor against the empire. Like a certain Nord we all know. Balgruuf. Before the civil war questline he is neutral. He's on the side of Whiterun. Does tha make him a traitor to his own people? No. The people living in Whiterun are content with their lives and the guards are willing to protect that.There is a group of Thalmor you slaughter on solsthiem who are hiding out in morrowind and doing illegal acts there.
Even if the Dunmer joined the civil war, who's side do you think they will be on? In the US's own civil war, who's side did the African's take? If anything be greatful the dunmer haven't joined any side at all, that would mean more men for the empire.