DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Probably ran off to prepare to bust Ulfric free, as implied with their documents you find in their embassy.
I think that is how he escaped Helgen during the chaos. Thalmor would have made sure he got back to Windhelm.
True, but I still think Ulfric deserved a bit of a trial before killing him off. Even if its just for show.
They don't really do proper trials for High Treason. The last time it was an Elder Council member and he met with the exact same fate Ulfric was about to.
Then maybe you should note disclaimers. Another Imperial backer in this thread quoted you by name, though the quote itself was relatively vague.
However, I do retract my statement with a minor apology. It's not you who claims you are right, no. Rather, the abundance of which you claim. All this time to pass, and here you are, commenting more than anyone else (Raijin included). It isn't hard to think that someone defending a position so fervently would know what he's talking about, thus an illusion of abundant knowledge is made through an ironic ignorance, be the ignorance concerning the side you defend, the reason you defend, or you yourself. Just something to think about.
I learn new bits of lore all the time, Rimfaxe actually has more knowledge than I. Defending the Empire or the Stormcloaks isn't very hard, I can do both and have done in the past on my Stormcloak account.
Does Worshiping Talos condone murder? If you murder someone in Stormcloak Riften, is it still not a crime?
Yeah it does, or more correctly the "Talos Cult" does. If you murder someone in Riften, it is only a crime if you can't pay the bribe.
Not that I should help mention this, but you could also cite the resistance in Cyrodiil during the occupation. It was referenced in-game during the Dark Brotherhood Wedding Murder Quest.
I'm not aware of it? Which resistance?
Ignoring that, I don't know if they fought and died for nothing... Just they fought and died for not as much as they did.
As Brunwulf would say "The 'Great War'- there was nothing great about it. Thousands died on both sides and where did we end up? Did we really save the Empire or did we just plant the seeds for Ulfric's uprising and another war?"
Fair enough. Still, they could always make appeals, not that there would be much they could appeal for. And, as always, part of their taxes would go to Solitude, being part of that fealty of course.
Maybe, depends how the Nords govern themselves regarding taxes. For all we know tax evasion could be the national sport of Jarls.
How long did Torygg rule, exactly?
I'd less than a year maybe? He was a very recent High King and I believe Ulfric rode to Solitude not too long after the Moot elected him. His father had ruled for twenty five years.
Aren't politics fun?
Only in High Rock.
Exactly. The men are locally recruited and trained (though there are some Imperials in the legion, but I think they joined SPECIFICALLY from Cyrodiil to help the Empire). Thus, all the men who are fighting now are fighting as soldiers who wouldn't be part of the initial legions. So in a way, the trouble the Aldmeri Dominion are stirring isn't too significant at all.
There are many ex Legionaries in the Stormcloaks. That would have taken a chunk out of the Legions. All the men fighting are good able soldiers who could be conscripted or enlisting. While they're not on the border, they're still something you can train up and reinforce.
The trouble they're stirring is a problem, because the longer it drags on the more resources it eats up. The more Officers you lose, the more locals who can be recruited for the next more etc.
Against who?
Aldmeri Dominion during Tiber's day wiped out a Legion, the Moth rebellion made Tiber lose control of the Imperial City. War of the Red Diamond cost several Legions and the sacking of the Imperial City, the invasion of Akavir saw a great number of Legions weakened and one basically wiped out + the Emperor dead. Oblivion Crisis the Empire barely survived, the thing with Umbriel several legions lost and the Empire nearly falling again.
Empire gets hit hard every so often.
If I recall, Talos wasn't exactly the kindest of Conqueror Kings. Infact, he was sort of a douchebag.
Talos makes the Thalmor seem nice. He wasn't kind, if he couldn't use he'd just kill you. Conquerer, slavery, tyrant. People loved him all the same. Helped with him and his dynasty making propaganda about stuff.
Skyrim doesn't seem to have a lot of science. So, whenever something happens they blame magic or themselves for angering the gods. Why'd the dragons come back. CLEARLY because we stopped worshipping Talos, of course.
That is just Nords, they're very superstitious people. Kind of sad to see them turn their backs on Mages and magic, it now being shunned and feared in parts.
I don't buy into it, but a lot of people (in Skyrim) would and do. Gods don't take hits, they take offense.
Well I suppose they would. It is strange they're not worshipping Ysmir, makes me wonder how much influence the Imperial Cult and Talos Cult have had... Especially since I think a lot of things surrounding Talos were propaganda to help the Septims keep control over the Nords.
If I recall, doesn't the Aldmeri Dominion eventually give in to the Redguard with the Second Treaty of Stros M'kai? We don't know what military engagements the Aldmeri had to deal with, apart with Hammerfell. But, if they were able to beat them out, then that means something was up. They know how to play they cards, they know how to bluff, how to maintain a cool complexion when their hair is on fire. Their greatest advantage against the Empire is that the Empire doesn't know pl*** about the Aldmeri. All we know is what they had and what wasn't reinforced. After the Imperial City was retaken, there were no reports of more troops crossing the borders.
The Redguards didn't get their truce easily, took five years and left their province devastated. The Empire was barely left standing, the Redguards are warriors, their children are warriors and their rulers are skilled in strategy.
It is easier fighting for your homes, in your lands. You know them better than the enemy.
The Empire is a complex machine, it has to keep moving, once it stalls it is a bitch to get it going again. With Cyrodiil in flames, much destroyed the various levels of governments no longer in place etc. It starts to collapse, and you lose order.
The Legions remaining on the attack, also having to take on duties of common guards. They need to secure trade shipments, cities, keep the roads safe. Even if Mede was to reject the White-Gold Concordat, what could he do? He can't attack the Dominion, the Legions weren't even in a shape to keep the peace once the war had ended for awhile.
Aldmeri were in control of Southern Hammerfell. I doubt Mede could send much into Hammerfell without risking the collapse of Cyrodiil.
Or luck. Some people are just unfortunately lucky, look at the many assassination attempts on Hitler.
Seems a bit too much for luck. He was only captured when Tullius took command, so we get the choices of; Thalmor, luck, Ulfric got owned by a better strategist.
Don't forget to mention that one of those Shipping Companies belongs to the Empire.
They're an independent merchant guild.
Not asking them to win the war, asking for a White Peace, where its a relative draw, would suffice enough.
Empire asked for peace when they couldn't continue. Aldmeri were able to continue for five more years.
Not at the beginning. Rikke says he wants to surrender and that she still wants to fight.
Says he's given up, his forces destroyed and the city overrun. But, yeah I suppose.
Tullius joins her, but probably because his Strategist Mind comes to the conclusion that 3vs2 is better than 3vs1. Then, he falls over saying he's not the enemy and is reminded that he isn't the good guy, either.
Or he jumps to the aid of his Legate, because he isn't a coward.
There are no good guys.
Truthfully, I think Ulfric should have spared Tullius. Sent him back with a demand of recognized sovereignty. It'd also help the Empire with their next war (assuming it comes in this lifetime) so Ulfric won't have to worry about Aldmeri looking at their borders. But, as we already know, he doesn't have a strategist's mind. He's rash, impulsive, and aims for a better story.
Aye, in good faith to form a defensive and trade agreement treaty with the Imperials. I agree he should have spared him and accepted surrender. War might get worse for both sides, Ulfric executing Tullius and Tullius executing Ulfric could lead to creating martyrs/retaliation.
Or mages to explode the doors open or something.
Doubt the Nords would want to fight alongside many of those.
People aren't bolted to the walls and the doors weigh tons rather than pounds. Fus Ro Dah is useful, but only against human opponents.
In the game mechanics it is, but since is it the only Thu'um that sends things flying. We can gather it is the one the Nords have used to break open gates in the past.
I'd take a guess and say the power of the Thu'um depends on what you're trying to do. You can knock someone over or smash down a giant gate, just depends on your control.
I doubt that half is the one with Windhelm in it. I also don't think he'd have much control over the half he controls, not with the Jarls being placed on thrones. Its more a reminder of what side they're on, I'd imagine.
Galmar isn't subtle, he's more enforcer than kind reminder.
Wait, wait, wait. How can you dislike Dunmer? They're the only Elves that are tolerable.
I like House Telvanni, because I like Mages. In general they don't really appeal to me.
The guard can be easily corrupted anywhere. If they agree with the agitations, then they'd hardly report it. Its not worthwhile, especially with a killer on the loose targeting NORD women. Nord Women have priority over what Galmar's Brother is doing, usually while drunk.
Isn't just Nord women, but women in general. I guess you're right, but it would be good to control the people who believe they're representing the Stormcloaks.
They're headquarters in Skyrim is Solitude, the Imperial Hub. The EETC would be funding the enemy war effort.
Nah, the headquarters is in Windhelm. Solitude is just the warehouse.
Back in Morrowind, the EETC didn't always equip their fighters in Imperial Armor. Its reliable, don't get me wrong, and I feel rather attractive to some, it just isn't good for business unless you have a little marking saying "Hey, I'm not with the Legion, this is EETC stuff right here".
You find people walking around with Imperial armor, mercenaries and what not. I know back in Morrowind they didn't wear it, but uniforms change over two hundred years. Probably was cost effective.
He was a double?
Yeah, has shorter messy hair and a beard. The Mottiere we first meet is clean shaven with long neat hair.
Ignoring that, I still call shenanigans on Jarls. In the grand scope of things, they aren't as important as Emperors or High Kings. They're local monarchs, but any say they have in something the Empire dictates is moot.
They may be local monarchs, but they can have say. Depends on who you know, who you befriend. Counts and Jarls can easily become political threats, or powerful. Kind of like that game, I can't remember what it is called, it is filled with political things... Crusader Kings? Or Crusades. I don't know.
Pretty sure I've mentioned before that they sent Tullius her way. An army a sheep lead by a lion is more dangerous than an army of lions lead by a sheep.
Jarls don't command the Legion. Besides, Elisif isn't a huge fan of Tullius. She bitches because he has authority over her.
So, then do you think that without Tullius in Solitude Ulfric would still lose?
Maybe, can't say how they'd fare in open battle. Tullius is just someone the Emperor tends to send to fix places quickly.
Might as well. You run into a LOT of them, most of the time they aren't even looking for you.
That is just the game randomly spawning them. I doubt they would have huge numbers.
You said Hammerfell is still friendly with the Imperials. Why can't they go through there? Skyrim isn't that important.
Marching through a desert wouldn't be that smart. Skyrim has Pale Pass, which allows large numbers of soldiers to pass into Skyrim/Cyrodiil and Morrowind I think.
Besides, you can't just leave the thread, never to respond again. There are many things you see and disagree with. Afterall, I had a nice short vacation before coming back and I saw you made a response or two after this post. I suspect you're not in this for the debate either, nor for the Imperials at this point. Just like me, you're in it... because you're in it.
What a blessed eternity, eh, Dear Mage?
Cursed eternity. I could always use my Stormcloak account, but that would be unfair. Raijin and I kicked everyone's ass when I did that.