I don't run on emotion all the time. The act of the matter is the Empire screwed us considerably and is still trying to put a puppet on the throne. At least Ulfric thinks for himself, Elisif has no knowledge as to how to run a HOLD let alone a whole gods damned nation. If you support the Empire you support Elisif that's all there I to it, you don't get a say.
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Ulfric killed Torygg because Torygg did not agree with him at the moot, and that is emotion. Ulfric gets upset and almost destroys the peace summit when Elenwen shows up. A good high king would be able to pull himself out of a situation and look at what is best for his people in the long run, not just in one aspect. IF a Jarl had to choose between a village and a farm that is vital to his people's well-being, the logical choice would be the farm, as the village can be rebuilt, but the farm being lost means food that cannot be harvested soon enough to prevent starvation.
I agree that Elisif has no knowledge right now. that does not mean a thing in the long run. A person with no experience or knowledge can learn, while a person that runs on emotion has a hard time looking out for the people's literal well-being.
She had no business whatsoever being there.. Quite frankly whatever side you support, thinking the Thalmor have any place in a sit down between the Imperials/Stormcloaks is an outrage. Whatever influence she would've had over that meeting would be to create more tension between both people, not to solve anything at all. The fact that Tullius is forced to bring her with him shows what the Empire has become, a god damn companion to the very people who want all men enslaved again.
I agree with this. Elenwen's attendance -by itself- pretty much retarded what could have been a fruitful event. Any where the Thalmor are, they will drag the Empire down. Emperor Mede was a good Emperor in his day, however he made a crippling mistake at the end. Perhaps it was necessary, even so and either way, the only way out for the Empire will be to start standing up to the Thalmor, again. And the only way this will happen is if the Empire stands together. There is no quick and easy way out of this, no "fix". Every Province that's walked away from the Empire so far has done so with some kind of Thalmor influence. Therefore, Skyrim leaving will only be kicking the can down the road to where the Thalmor want it to go. No good would come of this.
In the eyes of Ulfric and the Stormcloaks(50%+ of Skyrim...) he did do something wrong.. And that was stand idley by whilst the Empire/Thalmor destroyed everything Skyrim stood for. He wasn't doing his job properly, else nobody would of rebelled.. His father held Skyrim together after the Great War, and still supported the Empire, yet Ulfric see's him as a true Nord and holds the upmost respect for him. Doesn't that tell you something? Two people, seemingly sharing the same views yet judged completely differently by one man.
But do they? What if, what if Torygg was more honorable than Ulfric, who refused the duel with Jarl B and sent his army instead. What if the Torygg had done the same? Don't tell us how honorable Ulfric isn't.
There was no duel even mentioned between Ulfric and Jarl B. And the only reason Jarl B sided with the Empire was through lies constructed by Tullius. Ulfric fully expected Jarl B to support him, they had no quarrel before the battle of Whiterun.