DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
The people (Even the Dunmers) of Windhelm are doing pretty damn good considering the foul and snowy weather conditions.
The people of Windhelm are doing pretty damn good? Yeah, besides living in fear for a killer who stalks the streets. Besides the Argonians being banished and getting paid less than what a "Nord's worth" and the Dunmer being abused and having several issues which Ulfric ignores completely.
Throw in the fact that Windhelm's stores are just about empty, and the Hold's source of lumber is basically abandoned due to poor management on Ulfric's part. Comes when your Military is made up of all your peasant workers who have to get back to their farms and mills at one point.
Roads are unsafe regardless of the war and bandits. You have Bears, Trolls, Wolves, Werewolves, Vampires, Crazy necromancers who kidnaps travelers to conduct their experiments on them, The undead, Rogue mages, Mammoth, Mudcrabs, Sabre Cat, Skeever, Slaughterfish, Falmers and the list goes on and on.
Guards, soldiers and hired mercenaries would deal with those threats. As for slaughterfish... Is it flopping around gasping for air on the road? Mammoths don't walk down your main road, and they're peaceful if you don't stray too close or attack it.
Falmer activity is very recent, as in during the war. Crazy Necromancers keep well away from the main road, normally, though with the war on bodies and people are easy to get your hands on.
Your attempt to blame Ulfric for making the roads unsafe has failed.
You make a very valid point, Skyrim is indeed a harsh land. Except that you hear comments about roads not being safe now or "anymore". Which means the war is to blame for the lack of soldiers and guards to deal with the threats. Also it is mentioned majority of the mercenaries are also tied up in the war.
How do you know this? How do you know that the Thalmor aren't gaining much power? For as long as the Thalmor are financially secured they can buy off any politician any given day or night.
Because the Thalmor are going to such extreme lengths to make the Empire look as bad as possible. They needed to stir up a Civil War to buy themselves time. Buy off a politician, do you not understand how the Empire works? You could buy a hundred politicians, and not even be able to do much. You can bribe them to act in your favor, get them to lessen your taxes or maybe ignore something you're about to do... That is just common Imperial politics, Septim Emperors did that.
"Of course not. One does not gather the most important men and women of Skyrim and then serve them cheap ale and stale bread. This is only a taste of the benefits that accrue to those that align themselves with Thalmor interests." -Elenwen
"This gathering is nothing more than a boast. The Thalmor are reminding us that we're at their beck and call." - Balgruuf
Do you not think that Elenwen has the capability playing the game of politics? It is her sole job to deal with politicians.
It is her sole job to continue to make the Empire look bad, and irritate the nobility with her constant summons. They won't refuse to go, because the current peace is needed.
That is a very good advice, DrunkenMage.... about you needing to make sacrifices for others.
The Empire is Skyrim, Cyrodiil and High Rock. Each sacrifice made is not others making the sacrifice alone, it is the Empire.
The Empire could get a good dose of that considering the fact that they could of very well made a sacrifices by handing over Skyrim to the Nord people
I'm sorry, please show me where Skyrim is ruled by any non-Nords?
with a treaty agreement
Skyrim didn't want to leave the Empire. Stormcloaks =/= Nords/Skyrim.
so that the Talos worshipers would have a safe haven to openly worship Talos. Just look at how many Imperial/Stormcloak soldiers would of been spared, and that the civil war would cease to exist.
Except Ulfric didn't choose a peaceful route did he? Not once did Ulfric directly ask his King to go for independence, not once did Ulfric try for a diplomatic solution for a peaceful removal from the Empire.
Yet you believe the Empire should have just removed Skyrim for what could happen? When you kill the symbol of the Empire in Skyrim, do you expect a bunch of diplomats and some gift baskets?
You talk about treaties, yet Ulfric won't speak with the Empire unless they leave unconditionally. No agreements, no pacts. The only reason Ulfric even spoke with Tullius was because Dragons were bringing about the end of the world and the Dragonborn needed time. That was just for a temporary truce, yet you make out Ulfric would go for something more.
How many lives would be spared if you simply lay down your arms, and open a diplomatic channel to the Empire. You offered violence, and except rewards.
Yes I know. The Empire was too weak to successfully win the war against the Amdleri Dominioin, and so they were forced to sign a treaty (WGC) to give their elven masters even more power over them
Yet you plan to invade the Aldmeri Dominion with even a smaller force than the Empire. Skyrim is the weakest province in Tamriel because of that Civil War.
So what you're telling me that people should fear the Thalmor Because of the WGC?
Not because of the WGC. People should fear and worry about the Thalmor, because of what they can do. The Blades didn't fear the Thalmor, thought they could easily handle them. They were wiped out.
Even Ulfric Stormcloak is smart to fear Thalmor attention.
That they should keep something that they're proud of a secret? No that doesn't work that way.
You think the Empire just banned Talos because they didn't care, because they weren't proud of their God Emperor?
They should keep it quiet for the time being, because it was a sacrifice that had to be made in order to survive and get ready for another war.
Just because the Empire coward down to the Thalmor doesn't mean that everyone else should should to.
You think the Empire was being a coward when they signed a temporary peace treaty in order to rebuild and rearm for a second war? No. What the Empire did took courage, for them to outlaw Talos worship in order for thousands to live and give the next generation time to rebuild and finish the fight.
Empire could have just been selfish, said no, get destroyed and instead of an poorly enforced ban and Talos worshippers getting dragged away if caught... You can just have large scale slaughter, whole villages in a mass grave.
When you fear the government you have tyranny, and with tyranny a revolution is in hand.
It isn't the Government they fear.
This is what Ulfric is fighting for after all.
Ulfric is fighting for the throne, had he really cared, fighting this war would have been his very last resort. It was his first. You speak of revolutions and tyranny... You just replace one tyrant with another, you're not in a revolution, you're part of a military coup. Where your leader is voted into being your King at the tip of swords.
People should have the right to openly worship whatever damn god that they pleased, and not fear that they're going to be snatched away, and sent to a prison or worst... executed.
Haha, do you honestly believe the Thalmor need a piece of paper with 'White-Gold Concordat' on it to kidnap people, torture them and execute them?
The Empire created tyranny in Skyrim and Ulfric is fighting to restore order.
No. The Empire just gave that tyranny a face, Ulfric isn't fighting for order... You Stormcloaks are fighting for an illusion. You think pushing out the Empire makes the Thalmor go away? They just stop wearing their coats, then still kidnapping, torturing and murdering in the shadows. While you lot fall back into your happy illusion and say "Probably bandits or wild animals took them".
Not like the Nords are very investigative.
How do you know that Skyrim wasn't weak under Torygg rulings? Perhaps Skyrim was strong under Istlod , but not under Torygg.
1) They weren't having/didn't have a Civil War that has killed thousands of fighting men.
2) All of the Holds weren't poor from funding a Civil War.
3) Merchants were coming from all over, trading in and out of Skyrim.
People of his court and throughout his kingdom had zero respect for him as of matter of fact. If Skyrim was at it's prime under Torygg his court and his subordinates would of properly address him as a MAN , and not as a BOY. Calling your former King a boy is such an utter insult. You might as well call him a pl***ty king.
No. They're not calling him "boy" because he was a plops King. In a nation of warriors, with Jarls who are veterans of many conflicts and battles. Why would they call him boy? Because he was new, because he hasn't fought in a war or battle. This is a culture where you once had to kill an ice-wraith to even become a citizen. Or in the case of certain Nords, to become a man.
To be considered a "man" would really depend on which area of Skyrim. Some would accept fighting and proving yourself in a battle. Others... you're not a man unless you wander out into the wilderness for a couple of weeks and go kill an ice-wraith in some display of manliness.
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