Dagmar
NENALATA said:
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First of all, your fledgling Empire never 'defeated' the Dominion, you surrendered and the Summerset Isles were unscathed by the war.
The Third Empire conquered the Aldmeri Dominion with Numidium. The Second Empire conquered Alinor with conventional warfare. The Aldmeri Dominion has never defeated the Empire. The First and Second Imperial Empires collapsed from internal disputes. These are matters of undeniable fact.
First of all, I was talking about Titus Mede II's Empire. As with the prior response, which I graciously ignored, you have completely disregarded my context. No where in that sentence or in that paragraph am I talking about previous Empire's? That doesn't even make sense. I also find it interesting how you left out defeat of the 4th Empire. - No mention of this whatsoever So that tells me all I needed to know about the intentions behind your "facts". I am, after all, an observer of human nature.
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Secondly, by signing the White Gold Concordant the Empire was spared and it exists today because we allow it to exist.
The Aldmeri Dominion blew its load in its bid to conquer the Empire. It was so weak by the end of the Great War that it couldn't even hold on to the land that the Empire ceded to it under the White Gold Concordat. It's delusionally optimistic to think that "Old Mary" had anything left to throw at the Empire but harassment attacks reminiscent of its actions in the Second Era. The people were simply sick of war and wanted and needed the opportunity to rebuild without having to deal with open hostilities with the Aldmeri Dominion at the same time. Regardless of whether it was the right decision for the Emperor and the Elder Council to make at the time it was a popularly supported one.
The Empire won the battle of red ring and the Thalmor could not immediately deal with this loss.
This is Fact. But here's the difference, Empire did virtually no damage to the Dominion itself. Follow me on this? Our infrastructure was left in tact.
That is Fact. Not all Dominion troops were wiped out in Cyrodil, as you and your crew delusion-ally claim. It said the Dominion sent "all available" troops into the Battle for the Imperial City. There were still Dominion troops guarding the cities in western and southern Cyrodil, not to mention that before the Battle of Red Ring, the Dominon conquered most of Cyrodil, except for cities such as Bruma and Cheydinhal.
That is Fact. The Imperials wiped out our troops sent into that nightmarish battle in Cyrodil, and very few escaped that hell hole.
This is Fact. However, we still had armies in Hammerfell and armies "behind the lines" back home but would not have been ready for deployment in time to stop the Legions should they have advanced further into our holdings in Cyrodil. Surely the citizens in those cities would risen up and overthrown our Military Governors.
This is a Possibility.
Perhaps we should have held out longer, with a still functioning, "unscathed" infrastructure, there's no doubt the Empire and the few Legions they had left would have fallen to a war of attrition. Sieging cities is hard thing, especially when they're all strung out in opposite directions. Not to mention how most of Cyrodil was left in ruins or occupied, Southern Hammerfell was in ruins/occupied and Hammerfell itself was still under siege,
aside from city guard, everything the Empire had left was put on the table at Red Ring. This is a Fact. You can say the same for our army in Cyrodil, but not Dominion-wide. The fact that the war in Hammerfell went on for another 5 yrs proves that you and DunkenMage are wrong on this. Totally.
NENALATA said:
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Thirdly, both Numidiums (a purely Elven creation) were eventually destroyed.
So what? Neither "Numidium" was an Altmer creation. The true Numidium was a Dwemer creation and Akulahkhan was a Chimer creation. The Empire controlled Numidium because Morrowind was part of the Empire underscoring that the concept of Merish solidarity is a myth of your personal headcanon. Their destruction had nothing to do with the Aldmeri Dominion and does nothing to change the fact that the Aldmeri Dominion has fallen to the Empire in every past incarnation and the Empire has never fallen to Aldmeri Dominion.
lol Really? What kind of counter argument is this exactly? I never said they were "Altmer" creations, I said, "Elven". Again, I know reading comprehension is overrated these days but that's not my fault. You have yet to prove me wrong on any of this, thus far. Furthermore, it's called critical thinking. Detectives and NCIS do this everyday. I know it was shunned during the Dark Ages, where everyone was
FORCED to have the same beliefs and the same doctrine. lolz That's funny coming from a Justiciar, don't you think?
Oh never mind, you wouldn't understand the joke anyways. Probably start rambling on about how my humor doesn't fit into what happened in the 1st Era. :/
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Honestly, I'm not surprised that the 'lesser races' are ignorant to the Thalmor and our mission. We only wish to improve quality of life and to save Tamriel from the darkness that is man, in essence, to save man from himself. All throughout man's history he has created chaos and drenched the continent in blood, dragging both himself, his neighbors and us down with him. The Thalmor exist to bring order to the nations of man, putting an end to the chaos he has caused in Tamriel! In short: To put things back to right. Even if that means a Second Great War.
The only thing I'm ignorant about is your personal headcanon which holds no interest for me. My interest is in the real lore and canon of the Elder Scrolls universe. The only headcanon that interests me is Michael Kirkbride's and his headcanon of what the Thalmor are about is nothing like yours.
Thank God this is the end of this one. Arrggghhhh. I feel like I've just ran a marathon
Lastly, you can't wear a black hat and then try and jump on my case for being the bad-guy. I have no doubt whatsoever that you're interested in uhh 'real lore' and 'canon'... when it serves your defense on these forums. Your problem is you're using 'real lore' and 'real canon' to invalidate 'real lore' and 'real canon'. And furthermore, the creators of the Elder Scrolls Universe have said over and over again that there is plenty of room for Conjecture or people to draw their own conclusions. I believe in Critical thinking and analyzing 'real lore' and ' real canon' to draw the best results possible. You can not ever prove me wrong on this, you cannot ever utter a word against it because what happened
Between the Events on the Elder Scrolls Timeline is left up to us to investigate and deduce results as best we can. Which is all I have done.
Simply put, I have done this and you have not. Yet you think you can correct me, when you seem to have never really thought about this for yourself.
And once again, that's not my fault.