We backed him because we didn't like the other guy because nobody liked the other guy. It's not as if we provided him with troops.
There were many people fighting, they endorsed only Mede.
Talos stormed Old Hroldan with the armies of Skyrim at his back. This and the likelihood of there being a war between the armies of Tiber Septim and the Nords are slim at best since we have NO records of any battles or bloodshed between the two. What likely ended up happening was the recognition of Talos as Dragonborn by the Nords which then came about the proceeding alliance between them.
Doesn't matter, the alliance was broken after Old Hroldan fell. The armies of Skyrim belonged to the Nord nobles who feared the expansion of the Imperials again. Talos being Dragonborn doesn't mean they won't fight against him when his politics differs from theirs.
Stormcloaks will try and kill an Empire sided Dragonborn. They don't grovel at your feet.
the Empire supports whoever is loyal. Ulfric was loyal to the Empire before the Rebellion. Obviously competence isn't on their agenda considering you support Siddgeir.
Isn't on the Stormcloak agenda since they support Laila and Skald. Take what you can get in politics.
And Ulfric fears this because he fears the Moot will be biased towards the Imperials.
He can't risk losing, that is his issue. Nordic Tradition only matters when it will benefit him.
Istlod was a competent ruler.
And Ulfric isn't.
Fair enough, but maybe, just maybe, you should stop USING the people of a land far far away to your own personal benefit, and fight your own goddamn war.
Land far away from what? Skyrim is part of the Empire. Ulfric is fighting against the Western Holds. There have been Legions in Skyrim for 600+ years, Nords have been joining these Legions for just as long. The Imperial Legion doesn't discriminate, all races are found within the Legions.
The Legion makes weapons in Skyrim, so what? They make them everywhere. The Legion has armor made in Skyrim, so what? Soldiers need to be fitted, adjustments and repairs needed. The Legion is stationed in Skyrim, it makes perfect sense for things to be done at hand.
Blacksmiths being commissioned to create weapons and armor isn't anything new, it gives them good steady work at any rate.
It's just funny what's overlooked by the "innocent widow" to achieve her selfish goals.
What is overlooked? Erikur has a side deal with a pirate Captain?
Ulfric doesn't. He simply receives troops from that Dickhole up North. Galmar makes it clear; "You mistake me. I'm not saying no - just wondering about your intentions. We're not looking for sellswords. The Stormcloaks need dedicated men and women who're devoted to the cause and willing to die for it."
And he uses them. Solitude Guards being sent to the front lines is no different. They're able bodied men and women, know how to use a sword.
Hold Guards are not sellswords, they're sworn to fight for their Jarl. The Jarls in the East have sworn fealty to Ulfric, their soldiers thus serve him too.
I just think the citizens of the Central Empire should be paying for it. We'll see how they like the war in Skyrim then.
Ships loaded with pay arrive from the "Central Empire". You're using our coins. So unless we're taking your Skyrim peso, quit bitching. I'm sure the chests of gold will arrive after the war.
I know I say this a lot but one man does not constitute an entire province, especially one that lives in an isolated Village in the middle of the wilderness. But hey, I'll bite and counter it with this: When you ask him why the
Thalmor has a right to arrest
Talos worshippers, he will say:
"It's from that treaty that ended the Great War, remember, when the Emperor was forced by the Thalmor to outlaw Talos worship. We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me."
You skipped a line.
But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down.
It used to take the Thalmor seven days of someone shouting about Talos in public to get arrested. Besides the Justiciars are stretched thin and have limited resources. Bandits are killing more people than the Thalmor.
Bandits are also dragging people away in the middle of the night, you have a giant kidnapping operation in Eastmarch. Your own capital has one of the most organized and well funded bandit groups in the entire province. Bandits and shady mercenaries all the way to Windhelm are signing on with them.
Id have thought you wouldn't be such an insensitive prick
They can do what other people in Skyrim do, keep it to themselves. The Talos Priests after Imperial Victory go on about how they'll defy the Thalmor and worship Talos in their hearts. Could have done that the first time around.
Wow, abrasive. But can you answer the question?
Thats cool, but can you answer the question
Please answer the question that I posed to you
Can you answer the fuc*ing question you evasive piece of pl***? Or are you just going to continuously dodge it. What. Would. You. Do?
Be thankful I'm not a fat fl*ff like the rebel brother who is eating all the ice cream he wants? Your question is bullplops.
Here how about we change your question a bit more: You like eating ice cream, and eat it all the time whatnot. One day your house is invaded and your father beaten up, and after a large fight a truce is agreed. These men ban you from ice cream. You don't really pay much attention to it and eat ice cream in secret, and your father looks the other way. Your brother then starts eating ice cream more openly and shouting about eating ice cream because he's a fat rebel who thinks only about himself. These men get tougher and you can no longer get ice cream secretly, so your brother decides to attack your mother because she represents the authority of your father when he isn't there. These men enjoy this and decide to indirectly aid your brother as he destroys your home and your father's things. Then he tells you you're with him or against him, no middle ground. You help him destroy everything you know, or he'll destroy you. What do you do?
After this little victory over who gets ice cream, in your trashed house, the father leaves and then your brother suddenly goes "Oh, what if they just come back?" screen goes black and then it says the End...? dun dun dun.
That's how it works in every province, though
No it doesn't. Unless it is Morrowind or the Aldmeri Dominion now. Cyrodiil and the mankind provinces of the Empire has had all races in positions of power and never focued on a single ethnic group. All citizens are considered "Imperial" citizens. High Rock didn't focus solely on Bretons, even though they're the majority. Though Bretons hate themselves more than others... But anyway.
We're not burning down temples here alright. It's not just about religion, it's about a few more things, obviously a house trained obedient dog wouldn't understand.
"He uses this holy war as leverage in order to pursue the throne." - Laila
"The Stormcloaks are destined to win this fight. Talos is with us, and when you fight under a Divine's blessing, victory is assured." - Skald
"He's a fool, if you haven't met him already. Thinks Ulfric Stormcloak is invincible and spits dragon fire." - Frida
"Just like Talos himself at the Battle of Old Hroldan, reclaiming the Reach from those heathen natives." - Thongvor
Like Ysgramor, Ulfric Stormcloak is a true hero of Skyrim. His name will ring in Sovngarde for generations to come. Only he had the courage to single out King Torygg and challenge him to trial by arms. Ulfric's thu'um, a gift from Talos himself, struck down this traitorous ruler. - Nords Arise!
That is just one taste of what the Stormcloaks truly are. The supporters damn near worship Ulfric as a God, often comparing him to Talos or Ysgramor. His officers calling him the "truest of us all".
You're basically the Alessian Order 2.0 and instead of worshipping the One, you're about Talos and Ulfric.
Did you not try and argue with me that men of the Old Holds were mosly conscripts? Now you're going the other way around.
I don't remember. Unless we're talking about the Reman Empire where Jarls had to uphold conscription quota.
They prefer guerrilla tactics. They aren't an organized fighting force.
They once managed to conquer the Imperial City, don't underestimate the crazy deer head wearing bastards.
When you were fighting the first dominion you couldn't win without the Numidium.
Reman managed to conquer Valenwood, Elsweyr and Summerset Isle without it. The Empire and Aldmeri Dominion were never officially at war with each other, Tiber sent them demands and they had skirmishes in which Talos' Colovian forces nicknamed them the "Old Mary" Dominion. The Thalmor did have representives at the Imperial City during this time, they had border disputes and threatened. The Third Legion did manage to conquer parts of Elsweyr and fought in Black Marsh for a bit though.
Tiber turned his attention on them after he had Morrowind, in which he was given Numidium and he used it. Legion was never given orders to attack Summerset Isle.
Yes because we'll conscript everyone in the entire province.
No, but Militia can't be used forever.
Well, gameplay. how devastating were dragons in lore
They killed thousands of people. The Red Dragon of the Empire under the command of Lord Admiral Richton aided the West Imperial Navy in annihilating the Redguard's forces at the Battle of Hounding Bay.
Maybe their maps are all fuc*ed up, it's not as if they have a basic knowledge of borders, most of them are savages.
That can read and write better than some Nords? That have maps of Skyrim? The Forsworn rose twenty five years ago, they may be savage but they're not clueless.
Which are quickly resolved.
They still manage to infiltrate Jarl's courts and steer them.
Yeah we have healers too, so mutual success in the future to you.
Healers that are having trouble keeping up with wounded in the Civil War, a Daedric Plague should be easy for them, I'm sure. Though I bet them backwards Nords would blame the College for it.
I mean when he was, y'know, dying?
What?
Ulfric: "This is it for you. Any last words before I send you to Oblivion?"
Tullius: "You realize this is exactly what they wanted."
Galmar: "What who wanted?"
Tullius: "The Thalmor. They stirred up trouble here. Forced us to divert needed resources and throw away good soldiers quelling this rebellion."
Ulfric: "It's a little more than a rebellion, don't you think?"
Galmar: "Heh."
Tullius: "We aren't the bad guys you know."
Ulfric: "Maybe not, but you certainly aren't the good guys."
Tullius: "Perhaps you're right. But then what does that make you?"
Is that not toying with or at least attempting to toy with someone?
Galmar:
"Just kill him and let's be done with it already."
Ulfric:
"Come, Galmar. Where's your sense of the dramatic moment?"
Yeah, what better way to appeal to the Nords then with the fuc*ing Dragonborn. Politics, man.
Only to be released shortly after. Are you this man's political tool, his poster boy?
Mmmm what is that man had to do to join the Pennitus Oculatus again? Kill a defenseless old man with no information on him? Very straight forward.
Penitus Oculatus. They are not the Legion. Though yes, Colin was instructed to observe and kill a target. What Colin observed was curious, on how the old man never spoke to the same person twice, he gave a coded phrase and threatened him subtly. Most likely a Thalmor asset. That was the focus of the Penitus Oculatus at that time.
What does that have to do with morale? The Penitus Oculatus Inspectors are intelligence agents, what they do is secret.
What are messenger Pigeons?
I don't know, you tell me? Perhaps you can explain why messages are sent by courier? Why do the Stormcloaks and Legion use couriers and we get information about riders carrying messages to places in lore. Only long distance communication is done by Legion Battlemages.
Are there even pigeons in Tamriel?
Can't refute that, then again he wasn't much of a Nord.
Acted like one, looked like one.
"These Stormcloaks are ridiculous. They won't shop here because they think I'll sell them poisoned tonics. I should just go back to Cyrodiil." - Arcadia
Then we both are and we can rejoice in the RAPING of Markarth's silver, but at least when the Silver Bloods do it, it goes to Skyrim.
The Silver-Bloods are always doing it...? The mine is owned by them.
Inadvertently proving my point again i see
No it isn't. It is established few people are arriving. The Legion Legates constantly tell you they get few reinforcements, so they've been forced to recruit locally.
Coffers. Speciffically mentioned...
Solitude's coffers? Where the money is? I'm not surprised coffers are mentioned.
Solitudes coffers have been drained by the war effort.
And? Solitude's resources are being directed to aid in the war, Solitude is at war with Windhelm. Prices are also rising all across Skyrim, even Balgruuf's coffers are drained due to the war and he isn't in it yet.
Because that makes it morally acceptable, if the ROMANS did it.
Morally acceptable? What the fl*ff is your point? War costs money, directly and indirectly.
Yeah, they can be conscripted by Jarl Dickhole and his band of merry men. Ulfric doesn't do it to his citizens, while Tulius delights in it.
You really cling to anything you can. Ulfric gets soldiers from those Holds, they are sent to the front lines. Thus being conscripted to fight. Tullius delights in it... Lol. Tullius doesn't conscript civilians, only redeploys soldiers of the Jarls who he commands as the Military Governor.
Of course Ulfric would conscript from Holds loyal to him, the man isn't an idiot. You yourself are only questioned by Galmar because you're an outsider. You're not a citizen of Windhelm, nor are you a citizen of Skyrim.
Quite frankly the fact Tullius is using non-Legionaries and opened local recruiting to bolster his limited number is smart, the only reason you find a problem with it is because it is Tullius. When Ulfric does it "it isn't really him, it is this other jarl" you're just grasping and it gets more amusing with each new post.
So the rebellion is not a time of Dire Need?
Of course it is. Hence why hold guards are being sent to fight too. Conscription happens everywhere and if you actually believe the Stormcloaks don't do it you're dellusional. The only person ever questioned is the player because they're not a citizen.
Stop toying with semantics. It's always been the symbol of the Empire, it should also be noted that it talks about the Dragonborn and it's connections to the Empire in the book
"The connection with the rulers of the
Empire was thus there from the beginning - only those of the dragon blood were able to wear the Amulet of Kings and light the Dragonfires. All the legitimate rulers of the Empire have been Dragonborn - the Emperors and Empresses of the first
Cyrodilic Empire founded by Alessia;
Reman Cyrodiil and his heirs; and of course Tiber Septim and his heirs, down to our current Emperor, His Majesty Pelagius Septim IV."
SIDE NOTE: I made a few Edits. Enter can fluff with an entire post if you aren't careful
It doesn't matter, the cover is designed to look like a book. It is an old worn book, much like majority of the books in Skyrim.
A worn book and chipped wing doesn't = "EMPIRE IS DOOMED IT IS fl*ffED THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!111"