Not necessarily, I mean sure he could spend his whole life rebuilding, I won't argue that. But he isn't the only tongue in Skyrim. I mean technically we have the Greybeards and the Ebony Warrior.
Ebony Warrior is dead and the Greybeards will not fight in a war.
Then fluffin' tell him hes a Thalmor agent. When he finds out he's an old helpless man it would likely have the same three outcomes,
1. He can't bring himself to do it, and doesn't, Thus, he gets kicked off the Penitus Occulatus
2. He lets his guard down and dies.
3. He kills him and becomes an agent
Simple. There's no need for this crypticism.
I don't remember what reasons the book gave, it was Colin's test. Not that everyone has the exact same test, it probably varies on the person.
Why would you tell them he's a Thalmor? They're not Penitus Oculatus yet, they've been given an order to carry out a task. Being observed on how they do it.
I don't think there is a "kicked off the Penitus Oculatus" more likely you'd be killed.
First, That happened once not multiple times.
Others have brought it up, across several threads on this forum.
Second, they sound VERY much alike.
One is a revolution, the other is a Civil War.
Lets go over the steps, shall we:
1.)Local People don't like the way they are being treated and revolt against the local Authorities.
Small number of local people, majority of support came when Ulfric killed Torygg.
2.)Only about half of the country does this, the other half stays loyal.
Half the country was against the American Revolution?
4.)The rest of the Empire invades. They fight in a guerrilla fighting style against their respective Empire (Dominion in the Stormcloaks case) which is better equipped and trained
The Nords won't fight guerrilla warfare, the Stormcloaks after the war plan to create nine different armies under the Jarls. Which given the nature of Nords, often doesn't work out well for them. Cause the Jarls bicker a lot, Hold wars are a common theme Pre-Empire days in Skyrim.
5.)the rebels get secret and deliberate aid from other countries (If Stormcloaks fight Dominion this will most likely happen, seeing as though everybody, but the Dominion, is an enemy to the Dominion).
If the Stormcloaks were fighting the Dominion in Skyrim, the Empire would be destroyed. Who would aid them anyway? The Dunmer have their own problems and haven't recovered. Hammerfell is devastated and High Rock is famous for political bickering.
Or do they? Do we know this? no we don't. As a matter of fact we know they wouldn't risk it because they led a coup to capture Valenwood in the first place. Obviously the Dominion fears their power and wants to use it to their advantage.
The Thalmor caused a coup in Valenwood because they didn't have the military power to take the place with complete warfare. The Empire at this time was stronger than they were. The Aldmeri Dominion is Valenwood & Summerset Isle.
They Dominion in TESO was building inside Valenwood, why would the Thalmor of the Fourth Era fear what their predecessors didn't?
As well as Valenwood. A lesser known fact but still one nonetheless.
The golem wasn't used on Valenwood, but the leadership of the Dominion in Summerset. It caused their surrender.
The relationship between the Imperials and the Khajiit was tolerable, The relationship between the Khajiit and the Dominion is a good one.
No it wasn't. There were Khajiit insurgents operating inside the Empire, over what they considered the stealing of their land. Elsweyr isn't impossible to control, the Khajiit are merely client states. They didn't fight for the Aldmeri during the Great War.
Well she's one of the reasons The Khajiit are loyal to the Dominion. Sure this was all the way back to the second Dominion but, still.
No she isn't, not anymore at least. She's been dead for over six hundred years, I think whatever influence she had, fell away by now.
So you don't care that 12,000 men were annihilated? As long as he's hanging from the Tower, its all good then?
12,000 men? You got those stats from? I'm not saying it is all good, people die in war. Thousands on both sides. But calling Titus II's tactics crap because people died is foolish, his tactics are what won the Imperial City back and eliminated the main Aldmeri army.
But he accepts them and he isn't recalled.
No, he gets a city.
Well the fact that there are separated legions should be a clue, also Bretons wouldn't make better Battlemages, my mistake, but they certainly make great Sorcerers
Many great Mages have come out of Skyrim. Race doesn't mean anything. There isn't separated Legions? Look at Morrowind, the Legion there had Imperials, Nords, Orcs. Look at Skyrim's Legions filled with Imperials, Redguards, Nords, Bretons etc.
Legions in different provinces may have larger numbers of the native race, that is natural because there are simply more of them in that province.
The Legion doesn't separate on race.
There certainly are quite a bit.
Not too many, many Stormcloaks are one handed.
Well then she would talk about Destroying Elven Battlemages not Soldiers. They're two different units. Also, "the High Elves are the most strongly gifted in the arcane arts of all the races. However, they are also somewhat vulerable to fire, frost and shock."
They are NATURALLY GIFTED. This is undeniable. They can be beaten by better mages because they are susceptible to magic, but they are naturally better than other races at all of the arcane arts.
Actually she doesn't say soldiers, my mistake.
"They ended up sacking the Imperial City. I was there, blasting apart young Elven men and women with Fireballs and Lightning Bolts."
Being naturally gifted doesn't make them the best. They still have to work at it.
They had to adapt to their environment. They're the best because it is in their culture to use Bows and Arrows to take down small and large game. They aren't considered the best because there are a lot of Bosmer Archers, They're considered the best because they are Bosmer.
They're considered the best because they trained, it was even theorized they invented the bow.
Being born Bosmer, doesn't make you a great archer. You have to work on skills, you're not born the best.
Actually the quality of Imperial Battlemages was extremely good.
And that's why I generalize the people in TES games, because they are meant to be generalized. You're going to immediately assume A Nord with Heavy armor and a Two Handed Axe is going to be a better warrior than say a Bosmer with the same stats and weaponry. And don't say you won't, because you will.
No. Because I don't think like that, in-game doesn't mean it is like that in lore. Every race, even cultures today are generalized. But not every Bosmer is an archer, just like not every American has a gun.
I'm not saying that every race doesn't have their famous traits they're credited with. I'm saying just because you are that race, it doesn't mean you're gifted with the ability to wield a sword or shoot a bow. Swordsmanship requires training, same as marksmanship. People in TES aren't born with it in lore, except Altmer on being magically gifted, they are born with that reserve of magic. But it doesn't make them the best Mages.
Charging however many legions into Valenwood while they destroy the flora isn't going to be taken lightly by the Bosmer.
There are roads. The Aldmeri fought the Legions in their coup of Valenwood, they did attack and there were small battles. It isn't like Valenwood hasn't ever been attacked before.
I'm saying the Notes taken were a UESP moderator's opinion not that they were offensive.
Those are game files, what Bethesda write on certain dialogue. That is how they get facial expressions for the character artists or how they want the tone of a voice actor.
He probably doesn't even know or care what the moot is.
"Don't you Nords put any stock in your own traditions? I thought the Moot chose the king." - Tullius, Jagged Crown quest
These things are important he has to know them.
He knows it now.
Elisif: You'll always be a friend to Skyrim
Every Nord Ever: Not if he doesn't even know where I go when I die he won't
Well Rikke tells him, so he does know.
But if he doesn't even know where the Nords go when they die, how can he have a proper understanding of their intentions and fighting style?
Fighting style and intentions? How do you get that from 'Sovngarde'. Is that word supposed to mean a certain form of fighting or weapon usage?
Sure, I see that. but then they'd have to destroy an Elven Structure that they put a lot of effort and man, oh sorry, Mer hours on.
No plops. You really think they care? They believe they're Gods.
Well, I hope not, otherwise we're dead. We need to let them come to us. "In time the Elves will seek to rule the world again, and it will be Skyrim who leads Tamriel in those times."
You're invading them, good luck.
Yeah I did, but its a travesty to let so many die within 6 days. Its like its own Gettysburg.
It was a big battle, six days of continuous fighting. You think Tiber never lost soldiers? In fact Tiber Septim lost an entire Legion in a single ambush.
I'm pretty sure it was just less than a year, but, whatever.
Titus wasn't captured, and it took three years for the Aldmeri to sack the Imperial City.
No, Titus did, Titus gave the order, I wasn't asking a direct question. Titus gave the order that led to their deaths. He didn't foresee The Aldmeri attack from the west and it led to his troops being hit from two sides.A stupid, stupid mistake. Also Ulfric wasn't a Legate.
What? Legions from Skyrim were fighting in Cyrodill for awhile. Ulfric was captured before the Imperial City fell.
Also, what are you even on about? He didn't foresee trouble when trying to surround the main Aldmeri Dominion army? The Nord Legions weren't hit hard during the six days until the last of battle when the Aldmeri tried to retreat.
Those two counter attacks were slow, and not at once.
You haven't been in Valenwood since 4E 29. Thats a long time to remember old tactics for a now useless province to the Empire. As well, even if you did remember you would have to factor in how The Imperial Garrisons defended themselves.
It doesn't mean the creatures weren't documented. You think some random creature stands a chance against the entire Imperial army? Every province is home to various creatures, didn't stop armies.
The Imperial Garrisons in Valenwood were in forts or camps, they were easy to defend.
Thousands of soldiers vs random creature. I wonder who will win?
The Imperial army will be marching, non-stop, cutting down tree limb to tree limb to get through the jungle
Valenwood is a forest and it has roads.
all while defending themselves from unfamiliar Beasts that look like something Straight out of Greek Mythology and Hell:
"Before man or mer came to Valenwood, it was home to a salmagundi of creatures and strange civilizations. Centaurs, hippogriffs, satyrs, minotaurs, giants, basilisks, fairy folk, hydra, and intelligent apes all flourished there before the first Aldmeri stepped onto its shores." Like all Elves, the Aldmer had to adapt to their environment, and they became the present day Bosmer. For the support of Y'ffre, in helping them adapt, the Bosmer promised not to harm the forest.
There were minotaurs in Cyrodiil, and ogres, goblins, bears, wolves, mountain lions, trolls... Oh my. Funny how they won't an issue for entire Legions.
The Stormcloaks wouldn't even have issues from these creatures, they tend to leave entire armies alone. Small patrols could be attacked, but not a large force.
These creatures still live here. This isn't even mentioning the great Griffins and Werevultures roaming Valenwood's sky's searching for easy prey,
Yeah, and they weren't problems for armies on the move. Do you think the Imperial Legion has never patrolled or moved locations between provinces/new soldiers/supplies?
Why would this be a problem for the Legion now, when it never has been.
all while coming to a final battle against all the horrors of the Wild Hunt that destroyed King Borgas' army of enchanted armed ancient Nord warriors. It won't end well. Thats all I can tell you.
Borgas didn't have an army of enchanted Nord warriors, that was Ysgramor. Also the Wild Hunt, while it is a scary thing. It doesn't happen any time Valenwood is attacked or at war.
I mean you have about the same chance as survival in Valenwood as the Nords do against the Dominion in a Naval battle
Says who? Valenwood isn't the worst province for military engagements. Elswyer and Black Marsh are more annoying due to jungles and swamps.
The Imperial Legion in battle comes up with interesting ways of doing things. During the Second Era they marched under a lake, water breathing cast on the entire army. During Umbriel, they were imbued with flight and tried an air assault on the floating island.