Mookie
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1. Tulius wasnt tortured by the woman which gets him so upset.
2. Its completely normal to take care of those who contribute first. If you cant help everyone why not prioritize those who fight and support you? Dunmer lived in Windhelm for 200 years and still dont see it as their home. They see it as a temporary place and think they will return to Morrowind. They turned Snow quarter into gray quarter due to that thinking. They dont invest money or themselves into Windhelm. Last winter there has been a huge snowstorm in my city and my house was piled under the snow, so I had to dig my way out. As it hapens my mother fell into the snow and couldnt get out due to it being so deep. A neighbour just walked by and didnt help her. Later on we cleaned the streets and I left his house under the snow. Am I wrong? The Dunmer do the same thing like the neighbour. He didnt hurt my mom, just like dunmer dont hurt Nords in Windhelm. But they didnt help either. So why should they be helped?
So then you freely admit that Ulfric has emotional problems resulting from his episode with Elenwen that affect his leadership abilities. No enterprise will profit from the mind of a broken leader, esp a charismatic one which is probably worst of all. And the Thalmor will never respect him because of it, Elenwen is playing with him... like a snake eyeing a baby bird.
Normal? Define normal. The Empire puts all Imperial citizens first - No one is special. The banning of Talos was an exception, not the rule.
The problem here is civics my friend. Your relationship with your neighbor or someone passing thru is not the same as matters of state. Dunmer lived in Windhelm for years and did not have any major problems until Ulfric took over. It actually says that in the game, there's a tome on it (Scourge of the Grey Quarter) and then the people's dialogue concerning it.
The problem is Ulfric is making his opinion and that of the prominent Nords of his company, STATE POLICY. No where - anywhere else in Skyrim do the Dark Elves AND Argonians have a problem fitting into society because Imperial policy forbids the practice and the rest of the Stormcloaks Jarls are too busy focused on the war. After the war, Ulfric has Galmar working with them to make sure everyone is on the same page.
Glad your mom is ok btw.
Emotional problems are of no consequence to ruling a state. What, if I broke up with my girlfriend I would be inelligible to partake in politics?
You made me laugh on that second paragraph
"The Empire puts all Imperial citizens first - No one is special. "
Is that why they left all the imperial provinces during the oblivion crysis to cater to the Cyrodil, while leaving Morrowind, Alinor, Skyrim etc to fend for themselves against Daedra.
They didnt have any problems? So for 200 years the quarter was nice and sparkly, and then all of a sudden Rolf or whoever decided to throw feces and destroy the place?
"Farm work is hard work. It's good to relax when I can, but I still have to listen to my brothers harping about 'injustices.'"
"My sister and I both work for the Nords. Our brother is ashamed of us, but at least we can affort [sic] to eat."
This is the root of the problem. The Dunmer there still think they are in Morrowind, house Hlalu, where pesky slaves should work and cater to their needs while they sit back and enjoy.
"But we haven't taken a side because it's not our fight."
So they lived 200+ years in that place and its not their fight? They lived there longer than any of the human inhabitants, and its not their fight? What is? Morrowind doesnt want them. They see Hlalu's as traitors and would kill them all if they had a chance.
Then look at this:
Ambarys: "Don't you ever find it demeaning, working for that Nord family?"
Suvaris: "Look, Ambarys, I just came here for a drink. I don't need any trouble."
Ambarys: "Fine, then. I guess some Dunmer are content to be their pets."
Lets switch the words a bit and see how it sounds:
"Don't you ever find it demeaning, working for that black family?"
Suvaris: "Look, Ambarys, I just came here for a drink. I don't need any trouble."
Ambarys: "Fine, then. I guess some whites are content to be their pets."
Awesome right? So much toleration and integration. Can you imagine, a Dunmer has to work to earn its keep? What is the world coming to? Where are the servants and slaves to keep them satisfied? Work is for them, right?
Lets keep going:
Isnt that beautiful?Ambarys: "What's new with the Cruel-Seas [sic], Suvaris? Have they given you one of those helmets with the horns on them yet?"
Suvaris: "What do you want from me? I work for them ok? We're not friends. They pay me, and I get the job done. That's it."
Ambarys: "Touchy. Maybe some Dunmer lives in you yet."
Suvaris: "Either pour another drink or keep moving, Ambarys."
"Oh splendid, another Nord.", or: "Come slumming to the Gray Quarter, have you?"
"Welcome, brother/sister. Please, enjoy yourself."
"It's not the cold of Skyrim that gets to me. It's the stink from the people. "
And that is one of the favorite. Equal insult to being called "what is it Elf?" by some Nords
The facts are:
1. Dunmer are not interested in making a living in Windhelm. They see it as a temporary stop even though they lived there 200 years and dont want to concern themselved with its problems.
2. But they still expect equal treatment even though they contribute nothing
3. They discriminate against everyone, including Dunmer who try to integrate and make a normal living.
4. Gray quarter became a slum due to them, not due to Ulfric or someone else. 200 years of not investing a peny into your house turns it into a slum. A slum of Dunmer making.
How can the problem be solved?
1. Start concerning yourself with problems of your neighbours and your city. See it as your city.
2. From that they will earn respect and become valuable members of society, worthy of help
3. They need to drop that act, they are no longer a great house Hlalu, nor do they have servants. Get to work
4. And from everything else start investing into yourself. You aint going to Morrowind. Fix the windows, clear the chimney, get a facade.