How is this still going?
No, you see it evolve. Starts out not knowing much, then lore and more lore and then deeper lore. Until you end up like me, who entered this and the old other thread knowing nothing about TES lore. Learned all I know, from being in these debates.
IF you were answering me, the thread has become a rehash of the same stuff from early on, just with new people, not new/more/deeper lore.
IF not, please feel free to ignore.
IF you were answering me, the thread has become a rehash of the same stuff from early on, just with new people, not new/more/deeper lore.
IF not, please feel free to ignore.
The thread evolved. Early on you had misinformation, mistakes. In the thread these times, it's more lore intense at times.
New people come and they post, so things do get recycled. It's to be expected because no one wants to read the entire thing to check what arguments are mentioned, what has been said and answered, just to please you who.
Same information, just new perspective. I was here when this Thread had people like Dagmar, who used the lore, just like you. It is not anything new or deeper, just a different "voice" saying things in a different tone.
Same information, just new perspective. I was here when this Thread had people like Dagmar, who used the lore, just like you. It is not anything new or deeper, just a different "voice" saying things in a different tone.
I was here with Dagmar too. There are many things being discussed that Dagmar never spoke of, majority of her posts were correcting others on both sides. Not in the sense of bringing in new information.
There is plenty of information that hasn't been discussed. Or wasn't given much attention at first. Like Pale Pass being closed, cutting off Imperial reinforcements.
Even if you don't see any differences, things will always get repeated. New people come and they post, it's like that with many threads. People join the forums, they make a thread that's already been done several times. Yet they're new and didn't bother going through pages of pages to make sure they don't repeat someone.
No point in bringing up the inevitable.
But who really pays attention to things like Dialogue? Not me, unless it pertains to a particular quest I am on. It is mainly flavor, not lore.
The main things that are important to the topic have been discussed. Someone make a website of all the lore pertaining to the Civil War and then just link it every time a new person shows up. Saves time and headaches.
But who really pays attention to things like Dialogue? Not me, unless it pertains to a particular quest I am on. It is mainly flavor, not lore.
Dialogue is counted as lore. So people who pay attention to things like dialogue, actually gain a better understanding of the TES universe. You learn so much lore through dialogue.
Such as dialogue in Morrowind, which revealed the Oblivion Crisis coming and the Dragon line ending. In Oblivion, dialogue also revealed the Nords were invading Solstheim which explains how they gave the island to the Dunmer.
But you'd never pick things up like that, because you don't pay attention. People who like the games, who want to learn more. They listen to dialogue.
And that affects the Civil War how? Knowing the little details does not equal a better understanding. It equals a knowledge of things that might not mean anything at the time.
The dialogue in Morrowind probably had no real meaning until Oblivion, and knowing that meant you just had way too much time on your hands.
Do I really need to know how Ulfric is treating the Dunmer to knwo that Ulfric is a problem that needs to be gotten rid of? no, I do not. Nor do I need to know what Brunwulf says about the caravan thing, because it is not pertinent to the topic of the thread.
And that affects the Civil War how? Knowing the little details does not equal a better understanding. It equals a knowledge of things that might not mean anything at the time.
Knowing details gives greater knowledge. Gives you an understanding of what is happening. If you believe dialogue details doesn't affect the Civil War, then you have a very simple way of looking at things. Dialogue extremely affects the Civil war, how else would you know about each side, without dialogue?
The dialogue in Morrowind probably had no real meaning until Oblivion, and knowing that meant you just had way too much time on your hands.
Knowing that, just meant I've read the easter eggs page of Morrowind on UESP.
Do I really need to know how Ulfric is treating the Dunmer to knwo that Ulfric is a problem that needs to be gotten rid of? no, I do not. Nor do I need to know what Brunwulf says about the caravan thing, because it is not pertinent to the topic of the thread.
Without knowing anything, how would you know if something is a problem. You have a strange way of looking at things, dialogue is not lore. Details are meaningless and what not.
It is very pertinent to the topic of the thread. It speaks about both sides, dialogue is one of the main sources of lore throughout TES. But most times you're going on about "Lore is meaningless", which is rather amusing since it now seems you don't even understand the concept of what lore actually is in TES.
On Ulfric: He killed Torygg, becoming one of two candidates for the position of High King, AND starting the Civil War on the level it is today. That is enough for me to know that he needs to go.
And if the dunmer situation is so pertinent, why don't more people talk about it? because it is not that pertinent to the actual situation.
I understand what lore is, I just fail to see how important the small detail pieces are to the main topic, which I already know the main extent of what happened to get Skyrim into war with itself.
People do talk about the Dunmer situation, but you just don't listen. The Jarls from the Holds talk about it during Diplomatic Immunity. The carriage driver for Windhelm talks about it. All the Dunmer talk about it too.
I can see the dunmer situation in the game, and I hate That they got the short end of the stick. I do not need to hear them complain because I can see they got crappy homes and that the Jarl/Steward is not doing anything about it.
Do I need to know that the Pale Pass is closed so the Legion is to recruit locally knowing that the people are going to be the ones most effected by the war? not really. Do I need to hear about the Dunmer situation when I can see it for myself? not really.
I can see the dunmer situation in the game, and I hate That they got the short end of the stick. I do not need to hear them complain because I can see they got crappy homes and that the Jarl/Steward is not doing anything about it.
All of Windhelm looks crappy, so how would you know without dialogue? What do you suggest Ulfric does about it? He doesn't have the resources to spare fixing up the Gray Quarter.
The Steward does bring the unrest to the attention of Ulfric, which he does say he currently has larger concerns.
Do I need to know that the Pale Pass is closed so the Legion is to recruit locally knowing that the people are going to be the ones most effected by the war? not really. Do I need to hear about the Dunmer situation when I can see it for myself? not really.
All knowledge paints the whole picture, especially tiny details. It all adds up and you have a bigger view of it.
If you don't hear about the Dunmer situation, how would you know? Their homes are generally in the same state as the rest of Windhelm. The city was built in the Merethic Era, it's going to look a tad worn.
The place looks worn, but only the Grey Quarter looks like garbage. The rest of the city looks at least halfway decent/presentable.
And again, small details are small for a reason. They are not needed for the most part in order to understand the main issue at hand.
The place looks worn, but only the Grey Quarter looks like garbage. The rest of the city looks at least halfway decent/presentable.
The Empire mentions it can't repair the Gray Quarter with all of Skyrim/Two other provinces. How is Ulfric supposed to with the poorest half of Skyrim?
Look at Windhelm proper. most of the City looks halfway decent to me, while the Grey Quarter looks near unlivable. How is the fact that Windhelm looks at least decent outside of the grey quarter now the entire city looks like a dump?
And sometimes they are not needed to paint the picture in the first paint job afterwards. OR to provide complicated detail to something that can easily be shown just as clearly in less words.
Even so, it is no longer the Spetim Dynasty regardless of it's past. The fact that also remains is that for a combine (give or take) 100 hundred years, Uriell Septim VII's rule was remembered as a prosperous time of peace, and then for Martin's sacrifice to save Tameriil from Mehrunes Dagon cult, the Mythic Dawn, led by a High Elf, Mankar Camron. Only furthers the fact that with the last two Septim's in memory, are what filled the Imperial allegiances with pride for the Septim Dynasty.I have spent so much time thinking of this time and time again, going over what I know for sure and in the there is only one sure fact about all of it. There is no Septim sitting on throne. Rather you prefer the traditional or the other story of how Talos came to be, the fact still remains.
Septim's weren't all that great. Their dynasty was filled with wars, civil wars between the Septim's, rebellions. They actually had some of the worst Emperor's in all of Imperial history, dating back to the First Empire. You only ever really met two Septim's Uriel VII and Martin.
Sometimes you will hear, The Empire is the only thing keeping Aldmeri Dominion out of Skyrim...
They are, the Thalmor are different. When they say Aldmeri Dominion they're talking about the army. You'd know if the Dominion was in Skyrim, they'd have destroyed the Empire. The Empire has it's Legions of the Aldmeri's borders. Preparing for war.