Forgive me for numbering, but I'm busy and numbering for me is a little faster.
It's fine I understand what its like for a newcomer. I was that way too not too long ago
It's not the fact that i'm a newcomer, in fact to be honest it is getting quite insulting that whenever I claim differentiation or errors, you acknowledge me as a newcomer. Technical difficulties result in prevalent lack of responses for me. This one might not even show up for all that I know, but i'm trying anyway.
1. I apologize if you do not understand as I have read every single page of this thread, in fact it was quite recently that he mage disproved any argument against the validity of "The Bear Of Markarth". Look back 40-50 or so pages.
This was before I've investigated the book further and came to these conclusions, you'll have to refute it yourself if you wan't to change my viewpoint. Besides, even Drunken said that the book was Bias.
Bias? Definitely, but true nonetheless.
2. So I guess The Legions sucked and were completely decimated during The Great War?
Pretty much, Yeah. It was stated in "The Great War" that:
"two legions were effectively annihilated and not a single Legion had more than half of its original numbers"
You don't get my point. You claimed that the Legions are doing a horrible job of protecting people, yet the Empire survived the Great War preventing your deaths. I'd say they did a damn good job.
3. We have a spy ring that intercepts information that the Thalmor have planned, we have soldiers on the front line preventing the Dominion from advancing on Skyrim and Cyrodiil any more than they already have, we prevent the Thalmor from committing any more atrocities than they can get away with, we have strategists working constantly to prepare for the upcoming war, we have provinces that we feed and trade with, we have people STILL dying to protect farmers, ex-soldiers and innocents like you! What do you do?
We fight for the freedom that you won't protect because of a damn Treaty you had to sign to not be completely destroyed by the Elves. We fight for the Nords of Skyrim that are tired of being treated like lesser beings by our "watchful protectors" for having different customs.
You are highly overreacting. You were never treated as "lesser beings", if you're a citizen of the Empire, then you obtain and evaluate the same rights granted to you as they are to everyone else. You clearly have the freedom to worship whoever you want, you just have to be quiet about it.
4. DrunkenMage has already proven your statement incorrect.
Every time you say this I don't know what you mean because you're numbering and not restating my argument. I get it, you're new, and you're busy but can you just please copy and paste my argument and then say what you have to or just refute it so I understand what you;re trying to get at. That would be a lot easier for both of us.
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Actually that spy ring is working on the Dark Brotherhood at the moment
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Actually there are many 'spy rings'. The group working on the Dark Brotherhood are the section of Penitus Oculatus tasked with the protection of the Emperor.
"Imperial spies are everywhere. Never forget that..." - Ulfric Stormcloak
5. You are generalizing now and reverting back to roleplay due to lack of validity in your counter arguments.
When was I roleplaying in that statement? I didn't roleplay once in my last post.
"You've failed to keep them out, Imperial we fight to preserve our way of life and you allow the only people who want to oppress us within our borders." If it's not then i'm sorry, but that sounds a bit like RP to me.
6. My argument here is that the Thalmor can ONLY seize citizens or individuals who proclaim their beliefs out loud. Would you rather they have the right to persecute and seize anyone they see fit?
They already do that, whats your point, Ogmund didn't declare his Talos Worship out loud and he was still Persecuted by the Thalmor because they had you snoop around for them. They can easily do that themselves however.
No, Ondolemar was already aware for a fact that Ogmund worshiped Talos. He knew he did, but couldn't arrest him because the Jarl constantly been hesitant to call for his arrest. So another fact is that if the Thalmor are in a city, it seems that they must have the Jarl find him guilty, or be able to obtain irrefutable evidence.
7. Skyrim was not "willing to fight". If I recall, an excerpt from the book "The Great War" states- "The Empire was ready to accept peace at almost any cost..."
Then why do the Jarls hate the The White Gold Concordant even being mentioned, even the Imperial ones? Why is Jarl Balgruuf so angry when Irileth asks if it was cowardly to accept the White Gold Concordant? Why does he say it wasn't his choice and that he was forced to like it? Why is there a rebellion in Skyrim which bases one of its reasons for having such rebellion on the Empire signing the White Gold Concordant? Skyrim was unscathed during the Great War except for the Reachmen taking over Markarth. They wanted to keep fighting but the Empire didn't because the province of Cyrodiil as a whole was weakened.
Would you like a treaty that bans your religion brought up right in front you? No. The Jarls may have wanted to reject the terms, but Skyrims people as a whole did not. This is merely a theory as I have no official evidence to be supported with.
8. Exactly, If the Empire wanted to, they could crush the rebellion. However that would result in a break in the Empires formation leaving them vulnerable to another attempted assault.
My point is Ulfric doesn't want to wage war on the Empire and risk the lives of his soldiers he just wants them out of Skyrim so that Skyrim can rule itself.
And so what if he does? Even if he succeeded, Skyrim would fall. Whether it be the Empire or the Thalmor, the rebellion will inevitably perish.
9. So you just claimed that Skyrim is also weak? Good job.
Yeah it is weak. Weak because a weak Empire is ruling it and because there is a rebellion going on.
This makes 0 sense.
10. You would be safe for a while. But with Skyrim split from the Empire, Imperial forces would be hindered and halted. Resulting in an easier invasion of Cyrodiil and soon after Skyrim.
So now you're saying the Imperials can't handle the Dominion that they've been preparing for for twenty years? I'm glad I'm in your hands.
No, I didnt say the Empire would fall. I said reinforcements would be halted, therefor weakening the Empire even more so.
11. Insults get you nowhere. If you go back and read, he clearly disproves your acclaim of the Penitus Oculatus. Honestly, he didn't need to disprove you, it's quite obvious.
Well I'm sorry it was quite annoying and it still is.
I want to see the evidence that you protect the innocent.I haven't found it yet.
*Cough* Helgen *Cough*
13. Mage also explained this. I will answer regardless. Btw you said you would give me facts, not a question. It is correct to say in modern day warfare deaths of medics are looked down upon. Since WW2 Factions on both sides tried their absolute best not to kill a medic, but it happened regardless. In the Korean war and the Vietnam war, these rules were disregarded. This however is medieval times, looking back at ancient Europe, there are no records whatsoever of this "Rule Of War". In conclusion, it was maybe looked down upon. Illegal? I don't believe so.
Its still screwed, and if you're trying to claim to be the "protectors of the innocent" then you shouldn't kill battlemaidens that have never even lifted weapons in their lives. Kind of screws up your reputation and your argument.
Even so, there's a huge difference between innocence and front line involvement with the rebellion.
14. Mage! Tap out! I leave this one to you.
I'd like to hear his rebuttal.
